Green Party sabotage.

[Hamble]

Yep, think you are correct. Anyway, hope you get my gist.

Very.
It is like all buried scandals in the UK.
Once a few brave people speak out the floodgates open.

[local]

A twenty year old story about 2 wards in Birmingham.

Did you miss,


From many years ago In the Guardian ?


And entirely relevant for my closing point;


Sharia Law is on it's way it's just a question of time with weak Conservatives and an enabling Labour party who has turned a blind eye for decades in exchange for votes.

The leaders are now so used to corrupting ballots they brazenly publish demands, no sneaking about and secret meetings anymore.

[local]

Very.
It is like all buried scandals in the UK.
Once a few brave people speak out the floodgates open.

The Labour Party has turned a blind eye for decades.

Its a far far bigger problem than people realise.

[Hamble]

The Labour Party has turned a blind eye for decades.

Its a far far bigger problem than people realise.

I have not forgotten those segregated meetings in vote chaser venue's.

[Hamble]

I'm no student of the subject, but right from the start UK politicians were/still are, subject to influence from the Zionist camp. It stands to reason, that a party who supported the notion, would get Zionist votes and vice-versa. Otherwise, why when we'd just fought a major war in Europe to free millions of people from hostile occupation forces, would our Govt not oppose occupation of Palestine/forced displacement of an indigenous population?

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How come you supported 'Remain' with your views on immigration?

'Zionist Camp'?
You do know that to support the destruction of Israel and its people's (including 2 million Arab Israeli's) is illegal,racist and immoral?

No points for consistency.

[The PNP]

?
How come you supported 'Remain' with your views on immigration?

I'd have thought that would be obvious...Does a Californian consider people moving there from New York State, to be 'immigrants'?

By the same token, as a European (remember, we/I were an integral part of the EU at that time) I had/have no objection to Europeans moving from areas of high unemployment within the EU, to areas where there are staff shortages. Particularly so, if that policy of free-movement also means UK'ers can go live/retire in Southern Europe where the climate is friendlier. :

As for arrivals from beyond the EU's orders, I wouldn't want to see the EU (or even the UK) swamped by an influx of 'non-native, invasive species'. Having said that, I'm all for a bit of diversity - after all, who doesn't like to eat at a Chinese/Indonesian/Indian/Thai restaurant, etc. For me, a figure of 10% non-Europeans in the mix would be my upper limit. More than that, and we begin to lose our European identity.

'Zionist Camp'?
You do know that to support the destruction of Israel and its people's (including 2 million Arab Israeli's) is illegal,racist and immoral?

No points for consistency.

I don't support the destruction of Israel, I've never said that. However, and with hindsight at the way things have turned out, I'd have done things differently back around the time Israel was created. Was there any need to change the name of the place from Palestine? Why couldn't the immigration have been handled better, rather than so many piling in, in such a short timeframe and upsetting/displacing the existing inhabitants?

[silver fox]

I'd have thought that would be obvious...Does a Californian consider people moving there from New York State, to be 'immigrants'?

By the same token, as a European (remember, we/I were an integral part of the EU at that time) I had/have no objection to Europeans moving from areas of high unemployment within the EU, to areas where there are staff shortages. Particularly so, if that policy of free-movement also means UK'ers can go live/retire in Southern Europe where the climate is friendlier. :

As for arrivals from beyond the EU's orders, I wouldn't want to see the EU (or even the UK) swamped by an influx of 'non-native, invasive species'. Having said that, I'm all for a bit of diversity - after all, who doesn't like to eat at a Chinese/Indonesian/Indian/Thai restaurant, etc. For me, a figure of 10% non-Europeans in the mix would be my upper limit. More than that, and we begin to lose our European identity.

I don't support the destruction of Israel, I've never said that. However, and with hindsight at the way things have turned out, I'd have done things differently back around the time Israel was created. Was there any need to change the name of the place from Palestine? Why couldn't the immigration have been handled better, rather than so many piling in, in such a short timeframe and upsetting/displacing the existing inhabitants?

Please, please read up on the origins of Israel etc, too lengthy to post in detail here, but your strange fixation that Israel was created by Jewish immigrants who then evicted the current residents, is so far off beam as to be ludicrous, you will find that virtually everything attempted to create a multiracial/ multicultural state was scuppered by the Arabs, please educate yourself rather than making ridiculous comments.

Your other comment as to why rename Palestine, do you not know that the name Palestine covered a British mandated territory, which included not only present day Israel, but also Jordan areas of Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, which bits do you regard as Palestine.

I’m not an expert on the subject, but do have a modicum of general knowledge.

[Hamble]

I'd have thought that would be obvious...Does a Californian consider people moving there from New York State, to be 'immigrants'?

By the same token, as a European (remember, we/I were an integral part of the EU at that time) I had/have no objection to Europeans moving from areas of high unemployment within the EU, to areas where there are staff shortages. Particularly so, if that policy of free-movement also means UK'ers can go live/retire in Southern Europe where the climate is friendlier. :

As for arrivals from beyond the EU's orders, I wouldn't want to see the EU (or even the UK) swamped by an influx of 'non-native, invasive species'. Having said that, I'm all for a bit of diversity - after all, who doesn't like to eat at a Chinese/Indonesian/Indian/Thai restaurant, etc. For me, a figure of 10% non-Europeans in the mix would be my upper limit. More than that, and we begin to lose our European identity.

I don't support the destruction of Israel, I've never said that. However, and with hindsight at the way things have turned out, I'd have done things differently back around the time Israel was created. Was there any need to change the name of the place from Palestine? Why couldn't the immigration have been handled better, rather than so many piling in, in such a short timeframe and upsetting/displacing the existing inhabitants?

Israel could not have stayed with the name Palestine.
The object was 'partition' as happened with India and Pakistan.

Israel accepted Palestine refused fought a war along with other Arab countries the day after partition which Israel won.

Palestine in Hebrew means 'invader'.

The name was coined by the Greeks/Roman occupiers to the land after was an insult to the Judeans,to name their land after their ancient enemies, the Philistines,which were a Group originated from the Greek isles.

The UN has now declared Palestinians as a distinct culture of the region/area.
Personally I think it stigmatizes them with Hamas.
It does not change the fact there are Jewish people with Palestinian birth rights.

[Hamble]

I'd have thought that would be obvious...Does a Californian consider people moving there from New York State, to be 'immigrants'?

By the same token, as a European (remember, we/I were an integral part of the EU at that time) I had/have no objection to Europeans moving from areas of high unemployment within the EU, to areas where there are staff shortages. Particularly so, if that policy of free-movement also means UK'ers can go live/retire in Southern Europe where the climate is friendlier. :

As for arrivals from beyond the EU's orders, I wouldn't want to see the EU (or even the UK) swamped by an influx of 'non-native, invasive species'. Having said that, I'm all for a bit of diversity - after all, who doesn't like to eat at a Chinese/Indonesian/Indian/Thai restaurant, etc. For me, a figure of 10% non-Europeans in the mix would be my upper limit. More than that, and we begin to lose our European identity.

I don't support the destruction of Israel, I've never said that. However, and with hindsight at the way things have turned out, I'd have done things differently back around the time Israel was created. Was there any need to change the name of the place from Palestine? Why couldn't the immigration have been handled better, rather than so many piling in, in such a short timeframe and upsetting/displacing the existing inhabitants?

P.s
Hamas have said they will call the State Palestinian Islamic Caliphate.

There is not going to be Hamas perhaps Palestinians will want to chose another name.

[sandGroundZero]

Please, please read up on the origins of Israel etc, too lengthy to post in detail here, but your strange fixation that Israel was created by Jewish immigrants who then evicted the current residents, is so far off beam as to be ludicrous, you will find that virtually everything attempted to create a multiracial/ multicultural state was scuppered by the Arabs, please educate yourself rather than making ridiculous comments.
…

Your assertion regarding "a multiracial/ multicultural state …" is highly dubious. Early stage Zionist thinkers who contemplated cohabiting with the preexisting Arab population were few and inconsequential! Where do you find that account of the history?

Your other comment as to why rename Palestine, do you not know that the name Palestine covered a British mandated territory, which included not only present day Israel, but also Jordan areas of Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, which bits do you regard as Palestine.

I’m not an expert on the subject, but do have a modicum of general knowledge.

Your information here is mistaken, too: A Mandate for Mesopotamia "was superseded by the Anglo-Iraqi Treaty, an agreement between Britain and Iraq with some similarities to the proposed mandate. On paper, the mandate lasted from 1920 to 1932." The Amirate of Trans-Jordan was hived off the Palestine Mandate at an early stage to placate Hussein ibn Ali, the ruler of the Hejaz (& sons) and belatedly attempt to restore British Imperial prestige severely damaged by earlier duplicity. Quibbles over 'Palestine' (the name of the territory) serve only to obscure uncomfortable realities of the Zionist narrative of historical events. Brush-up on your "modicum of general knowledge".

[The PNP]

Israel could not have stayed with the name Palestine.
The object was 'partition' as happened with India and Pakistan.

Israel accepted Palestine refused fought a war along with other Arab countries the day after partition which Israel won.

Palestine in Hebrew means 'invader'.

The name was coined by the Greeks/Roman occupiers to the land after was an insult to the Judeans,to name their land after their ancient enemies, the Philistines,which were a Group originated from the Greek isles.

The UN has now declared Palestinians as a distinct culture of the region/area.
Personally I think it stigmatizes them with Hamas.
It does not change the fact there are Jewish people with Palestinian birth rights.

Also doesn't change the fact, that too much immigration destabilised the area, with unwelcome consequences that the entire region continues to experience. A lesson perhaps, as to how things could pan-out here, should outsiders from beyond the EU, continue to arrive in numbers.

[Hamble]

Also doesn't change the fact, that too much immigration destabilised the area, with unwelcome consequences that the entire region continues to experience. A lesson perhaps, as to how things could pan-out here, should outsiders from beyond the EU, continue to arrive in numbers.

We cannot change history just try and do better next crisis as the World did for Ukranian refugees.

Today there would be no question of turning away ship loads of women and children fleeing wartorn Europe.

[The PNP]

We cannot change history just try and do better next crisis as the World did for Ukranian refugees.

Today there would be no question of turning away ship loads of women and children fleeing wartorn Europe.

It's one thing to give temporary shelter to people whose country is in the middle of a war, provided they go home when the fighting is over. Quite another, to permanently move in on someone's land uninvited, particularly so when the war you were fleeing from has already ended.

[silver fox]

Your assertion regarding "a multiracial/ multicultural state …" is highly dubious. Early stage Zionist thinkers who contemplated cohabiting with the preexisting Arab population were few and inconsequential! Where do you find that account of the history?

Your information here is mistaken, too: A Mandate for Mesopotamia "was superseded by the Anglo-Iraqi Treaty, an agreement between Britain and Iraq with some similarities to the proposed mandate. On paper, the mandate lasted from 1920 to 1932." The Amirate of Trans-Jordan was hived off the Palestine Mandate at an early stage to placate Hussein ibn Ali, the ruler of the Hejaz (& sons) and belatedly attempt to restore British Imperial prestige severely damaged by earlier duplicity. Quibbles over 'Palestine' (the name of the territory) serve only to obscure uncomfortable realities of the Zionist narrative of historical events. Brush-up on your "modicum of general knowledge".

I stated clearly that going into a full description of everything would be far to lengthy, I am very aware that the British constantly made moves to placate the Arab majority, I am also aware that all of this stems from immediately after WW1, with the end of the Ottoman Empire, the Arab leaders wanted a total Islamic State, basically continuing the Islamic rule from previous rulers.

From there on the actions and attempts to bring semblance of freedom or democracy were never accepted and yes there was an attempt to create a single state, but the Arabs wouldn’t accept neither Jews nor Christians on the governing body.

Sadly the British do not come out of all of this well, we managed at times to alienate both sides, imposing restrictions on Jewish immigration, at one time banning Jews from owning land and property apart what they already owned, the whole thing illustrates the absurdity of religious dogma, let’s be clear that’s all bloody religions.

[silver fox]

Also doesn't change the fact, that too much immigration destabilised the area, with unwelcome consequences that the entire region continues to experience. A lesson perhaps, as to how things could pan-out here, should outsiders from beyond the EU, continue to arrive in numbers.

The Jewish people were then and now part of the indigenous population, don’t forget many of those “ immigrants” were actually people displaced from the new Arab territories, they already lived there.